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Reading Glasses
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Grey
2011-12-23 07:53:13 UTC
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I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.

For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.

It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it
now assuming it will be stable.
Mike Tyner
2011-12-23 14:44:36 UTC
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If you still read fine without glasses, you don't "need" to get anything
new. Progressives are only "required" if you aren't able or willing to take
your distance glasses off when necessary.

You're experiencing presbyopia. Your nearsightedness is nature's way of
anticipating presbyopia. As a result, you have better near vision than
others who are 41, who "must" get reading glasses that restore their near
vision.

Presbyopia increases on a predictable schedule, but this year's glasses
don't automatically become useless next year. If your nearsightedness has
always measured less than -1.00 D, it's likely in a few years you will need
reading glasses (eg +1.00) to supplement your near vision. At that point, it
becomes more reasonable to make bifocals or progressives, even tho some
people will wear two pair (-1.00, +1.00) and alternate them.

-MT, OD
Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over the
years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for watching
movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it now
assuming it will be stable.
Dan Abel
2011-12-23 15:22:46 UTC
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Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it
now assuming it will be stable.
As far as I am concerned, it's a matter of personal preference. Since
you don't wear your glasses full time anyway, it makes sense, for now,
just to not wear them for reading. In fact, there's some chance that if
you got bifocals or progressives, the bottom portion for reading would
have little or no power. Glasses with more than one power cost more
money, take time and energy to get used to, and are a compromise that
trades off optimum vision for convenience. I would tend to avoid them
until they were necessary, but that's just my personal preference.

This problem occurs with most people with increasing age, and is
gradual, so at the time (which will probably come) where you need
glasses to read, they will generally give you at least a few years use
before the vision changes enough to require new glasses.

I have already read Mike's reply, and we are in complete agreement.
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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
***@sonic.net
Science_Research
2011-12-23 16:09:23 UTC
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Hi Grey,

Subject: You do have an advantage -- with a refractive status of -1.0
diopters.

It is an "ill wind" that does not blow some good.

With that refraction, you should be able to see perfectly at 30
inches, and I suspect, down to 20 inches. It seems that you current
plan, of using "reading glasses" or no glasses would be perfect for
you.

But, if you prefer, you can get bifocals, so you would have the 1.0
diopter on "top" and and "add" of about 2 diopters.

This is a matter of an educated choice for you.

Otis
Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it
now assuming it will be stable.
Kay Lancaster
2011-12-23 22:42:03 UTC
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Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
I'm in a similar situation, but a bit older (late 50s)and probably a lot
fussier than most people. And I have not adapted to bifocals or progressives
well. (stuff I work with includes a lot of tiny stuff, like examining grass
flowers that are a mm long or so for detail, and detailed sewing).

If you have astigmatism, you may be more comfortable with purpose made reading
glasses or bifocals or progressives. Chances are, right now all you need
is to take your distance glasses off for reading. You may need bifocals,
progressives or readers later as your presbyopia increases.

I'm at the stage where my younger years prescription of -1.25 (pretty constant, varied by +/-0.25 over the years) with a mild astigmatism that we didn't
need to correct for now carries an astigmatism correction. I now can pass
the DMV eye exam without glasses (*almost* could before, but I was always
more comfortable wearing glasses while driving). Still, the astigmatism
correction I have now still makes me feel more comfortable to have distance
glasses on for driving. Things are just a bit crisper a bit sooner. Yes,
I can do without them, but I'd rather not.

I work around the house without glasses on... general cleaning, tv watching,
cooking, that sort of thing. Reading decent sized print in good light is
fine without glasses. Low contrast, small print in good light or newspaper
print in poor light will have me reaching for readers. I use my "sewing
glasses", which are prescription readers with astigmatism correction and a
small plus component, for the really detailed stuff, and we set those for
about 18", my normal working distance with small stuff. My first pair of
"sewing glasses", which are weaker than my current ones, have become my
"armslength" glasses... great for computer glasses and for cutting stained
glass (another hobby). I'm not comfortable doing detailed sewing with
my first pair of sewing glasses any more -- black stitches on black fabric
are a bit of struggle for me to see with those first sewing glasses.

Based on my experience, you may want readers/bifocals/progressives for
some purposes and not for others. You probably will find yourself reaching
for close vision more in the coming years. How crazy you need to get about
it all depends on what you're comfortable with.

If you're like me and went in for exams on a regular basis for many years
only to be told "no change" or "not enough change to make you need a new
pair of glasses" (I wore the same glasses and frames for 10+ years at a
stretch, buying new ones only when the frames looked too scuzzy), you'll
find it somewhat disturbing that your vision is now changing, and there'll
be a stage in there someplace when you want reading glasses with a prescription
of about +0.5 or +0.75 or so and you won't find them on the racks in the
drugstore. There are readymade readers available in those strengths from
various online places like readingglasses.com Progressives may also be a
good choice for you at that stage. Or then again, you might not want that
small a correction.

Anyhow, that's my experience, and I'm told it's pretty typical. What isn't
typical for many people is my fussiness, which leads to me own three different
pairs of glasses. If presbyopia is driving you crazy at this stage, get the
glasses. If all you need is a little reassurance it's normal, then you've got
that, too.

Kay
dumbstruck
2011-12-25 07:20:06 UTC
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Keep it simple - read with naked eyes! Mild nearsighted glasses are
totally inappropriate for reading, regardless of your age. And can
even be harmful and promote accomodation spasm. Don't worry about
astig, bifocal corrective gizmos unless other problems exist.
ala
2011-12-25 16:16:43 UTC
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Post by dumbstruck
Keep it simple - read with naked eyes! Mild nearsighted glasses are
totally inappropriate for reading, regardless of your age. And can
even be harmful and promote accomodation spasm. Don't worry about
astig, bifocal corrective gizmos unless other problems exist.
accomodation spasm - what is that
Science_Research
2011-12-25 20:24:20 UTC
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Post by ala
Post by dumbstruck
Keep it simple - read with naked eyes! Mild nearsighted glasses are
totally inappropriate for reading, regardless of your age. And can
even be harmful and promote accomodation spasm. Don't worry about
astig, bifocal corrective gizmos unless other problems exist.
accomodation spasm - what is that
That is when you previously had verified 20/20 (refractive state of
zero) and, after a year of close work experience a change of status of
-3/4 dioters and can not read the 20/40 line.

Enjoy,
ala
2011-12-25 20:34:12 UTC
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Post by Science_Research
That is when you previously had verified 20/20 (refractive state of
zero) and, after a year of close work experience a change of status of
-3/4 dioters and can not read the 20/40 line.
Enjoy,
I heard my doctor say that I was no longer able to accmmodate but I hadn't
heard her use the word spasm
I am afraid that I cannot enjoy this lack of accommodation much as I would
like to
Science_Research
2011-12-25 20:38:44 UTC
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Post by ala
Post by Science_Research
That is when you previously had verified 20/20 (refractive state of
zero) and, after a year of close work experience a change of status of
-3/4 dioters and can not read the 20/40 line.
Enjoy,
I heard my doctor say that I was no longer able to accmmodate but I hadn't
heard her use the word spasm
I am afraid that I cannot enjoy this lack of accommodation much as I would
like to
Another word for "spasm -- accommodation" is pseudo-myopia. A number
of different words are used to describe this temporary loss of distant
vision.
ala
2011-12-26 14:00:13 UTC
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Post by Science_Research
Another word for "spasm -- accommodation" is pseudo-myopia. A number
of different words are used to describe this temporary loss of distant
vision.
do you mean you lose accommodation for only a short period and then after a
short period you see the information again?
because that's not what happens to me.
It just won't accommodate anymore without correction. And it seems as if it
has happened on all levels.
Hardest of all for me is while driving, switching from car in front me
length to looking at other things on the street. Progressives make it more
confusing it seems.
Dan Abel
2011-12-26 15:00:09 UTC
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In article <p-***@earthlink.com>,
"ala" <***@comcast.net> wrote:

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Post by ala
Post by Science_Research
Another word for "spasm -- accommodation" is pseudo-myopia. A number
of different words are used to describe this temporary loss of distant
vision.
do you mean you lose accommodation for only a short period and then after a
short period you see the information again?
No. It's like a charley horse. Even though the muscles are working,
they aren't doing the job. You still have accommodation, it just
doesn't work during the period your muscles are in spasm.
Post by ala
Hardest of all for me is while driving, switching from car in front me
length to looking at other things on the street. Progressives make it more
confusing it seems.
I find that I can do the normal tasks of driving with only distance
vision. I can see the car in front of me well enough so I don't hit it,
even if it is blurry. The instruments on the dashboard can be read
through the blur.
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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
***@sonic.net
Mike Tyner
2011-12-25 23:15:29 UTC
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People who are "no longer able to accommodate" don't get accommodative
spasm. Dumbstruck is making wild assumptions about you.

Lack of accommodation is called presbyopia and nobody enjoys it but
everybody gets it.

Nearsighted people are better off because what makes their far vision blurry
makes their near vision clear, if they take off their glasses. However you
haven't said you are nearsighted.

Those of us who aren't nearsighted must use plus glasses like drugstore
readers to make near vision clear (and far vision blurry).

-MT
Post by ala
Post by Science_Research
That is when you previously had verified 20/20 (refractive state of
zero) and, after a year of close work experience a change of status of
-3/4 dioters and can not read the 20/40 line.
Enjoy,
I heard my doctor say that I was no longer able to accmmodate but I hadn't
heard her use the word spasm
I am afraid that I cannot enjoy this lack of accommodation much as I would
like to
dumbstruck
2011-12-26 03:46:25 UTC
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Post by Mike Tyner
People who are "no longer able to accommodate" don't get accommodative
spasm. Dumbstruck is making wild assumptions about you.
Point of order! I responded to that persons one line request for a
definition of A.S., before that "A" person had said a word about their
accom deficient condition.

More to the point I was addressing the earlier posts which seemed
wildly enthusiastic about getting bifocals rather than simply not
wearing high minus for reading. Similar to your first reply in this
thread, but a little less technical and more forceful because it
didn't seem to be grasped by following posts.
ala
2011-12-26 14:03:59 UTC
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Post by Mike Tyner
People who are "no longer able to accommodate" don't get accommodative
spasm. Dumbstruck is making wild assumptions about you.
Lack of accommodation is called presbyopia and nobody enjoys it but
everybody gets it.
Nearsighted people are better off because what makes their far vision
blurry makes their near vision clear, if they take off their glasses.
However you haven't said you are nearsighted.
Those of us who aren't nearsighted must use plus glasses like drugstore
readers to make near vision clear (and far vision blurry).
-MT
Yep that's what I got. Presbyopia. Saw that on my letter she wrote up for
a reasonable accommodation.
I am nearsighted and lost accommodation a few years ago as well.
I have never used glasses for reading because I bring the information to my
face and can't break myself of that. But I do need glasses for computer.
And it is getting harder and harder to see the computer. The glasses are
specifically made for the computer at work but the laptop I used for which
the glasses worked broke, and the new laptop is a disaster for use. Very
hard to see
dumbstruck
2011-12-25 21:57:58 UTC
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Post by ala
accomodation spasm - what is that
Google it. You just strained your eye muscles so much by focusing
close that they sort of cramp and lock in that mode temporarily. You
did this to yourself by wearing distance vision glasses for reading,
which is needless and inappropriate for most shortsighted persons.

Now you run the risk of going to an eye doctor for correction of that
ARTIFICIAL nearsightedness. They may give you needlessly stronger
correction, which worsens your close focus straining when you again
needlessly wear long distance glasses for close vision.

Minimizing correction is best for nearsightedness, because you have to
strain against them to see closer. So take glasses off for reading and
maybe computer terminals, or use less minus corrective reading
glasses. For things like reading prices in a grocery store, I make
sure my lenses don't cover my whole field of vision, but I can look
under them to glance at fine print without having to remove distance
glasses.
Grey
2011-12-26 07:24:02 UTC
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Post by dumbstruck
Post by ala
accomodation spasm - what is that
Google it. You just strained your eye muscles so much by focusing
close that they sort of cramp and lock in that mode temporarily. You
did this to yourself by wearing distance vision glasses for reading,
which is needless and inappropriate for most shortsighted persons.
What if you are attending a class - you are looking at the white
board(you need your glasses for that) & then you are looking at your
notebook for taking notes?
ala
2011-12-26 14:07:24 UTC
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Post by dumbstruck
Post by ala
accomodation spasm - what is that
Google it. You just strained your eye muscles so much by focusing
close that they sort of cramp and lock in that mode temporarily. You
did this to yourself by wearing distance vision glasses for reading,
which is needless and inappropriate for most shortsighted persons.
What if you are attending a class - you are looking at the white board(you
need your glasses for that) & then you are looking at your notebook for
taking notes?
O yes this is a horrible problem. When I see clients, I have to see their
face, watch a monitor on a far wall, read the computer, and read paper
files. I can't find one correction that will manage all four tasks. I use 2
glasses to deal with 2 of the 4 tasks and everything else is blurry,
progressives just make me seasick and eliminate all my peripheral vision and
I end up falling a lot because I can't figure out where anything is.
Mike Tyner
2011-12-26 14:38:26 UTC
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Post by ala
O yes this is a horrible problem. When I see clients, I have to see their
face, watch a monitor on a far wall, read the computer, and read paper
files. I can't find one correction that will manage all four tasks.
My progressives work pretty well. There might be better opticians.
Bob F
2019-07-03 17:11:53 UTC
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Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it
now assuming it will be stable.
Try these focus exercises for 5 minutes a few times a day and see what
happens. I did them when I was in my 30's (mostly the near-far
exercise), and didn't wear glasses again till about my 60's. I do use
reading glasses for extended reading these days at 70.

https://www.healthline.com/health/eye-health/eye-exercises#exercises
The Real Bev
2019-07-03 20:43:06 UTC
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Post by Bob F
Post by Grey
I am around 41 years old. I have had near sight since I was around 18 or
so - the power always being less than -1 in each eye (has varied over
the years). I don't wear glasses all the time - I use them only for
watching movies, watching TV, attending lectures, driving etc.
For the last 6 months or so, I am having problems reading books & stuff
when I wear my short sight glasses - when I remove my glasses I can read
fine.
Why do you use your distance glasses to read?
Post by Bob F
Post by Grey
It looks like I need to get glasses which do both the long sight & near
sight thing (progressive). My question is should I wait (i.e. will my
reading glasses power change over the next few months) or can I get it
now assuming it will be stable.
As we age our eyes become less near-sighted. I get a new prescription
every 3 or 4 years. Unless there's something actually WRONG with your
eyes, they shouldn't change every few months.

FWIW, I highly recommend both the Zenni and Goggles4U mail-order
opticians. Cheapest bifocals (lined, I tried the progressives once and
hated them) are roughly $30. You don't need fancy frames or coatings.
Post by Bob F
Try these focus exercises for 5 minutes a few times a day and see what
happens. I did them when I was in my 30's (mostly the near-far
exercise), and didn't wear glasses again till about my 60's. I do use
reading glasses for extended reading these days at 70.
https://www.healthline.com/health/eye-health/eye-exercises#exercises
Can't hurt...
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Cheers, Bev
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